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UberGerbil wrote:And we probably don't need yet another Red/Green fight thread, either. However I'd certainly be interested in more sightings of stock non reference coolers, at least until there are so many it no longer matters.
morphine wrote:Having an MSI 4870 card with the dual slot cooler: NO, just plain no. MSI's variant of this solution is noisy as hell.
I peeped. I was complaining about the 3870 and the 8800GTs, too, not even thinking about the high end cards (video cards priced over $300 hold no interest for me). Before heat it was noise. Instead of working with third parties to come up with an OEM heatsink that is both cool and quiet, Valentino Pumps Pink
with higher clock speeds and a quiet, more effective heatsink like the Accelero S1 or VF900 for $30 more, which would you prefer? Personally I'd pay the extra $30.
Me too. It's a Sapphire card with 1 GB of RAM. Not sure if that cooler is actually any more effective than the reference one, but the extra RAM should actually be useful for the 4850, unlike most of the "more RAM!" cards that vendors sell to the uninformed. Still, I imagine it wouldn't do that much unless you have a big monitor.
The internet noise could also be the clash of people's expectations (that a die shrunk chip could run cooler) with reality (that it isn't). The card seems to be simply fantastic, so no one can complain about anything except the heat/noise. I definitely wouldn't mind getting a "perfect" component if one or two changes will make it so. It's great that it's even a possibility.
Kamisaki wrote:Was that a typo, or are we talking about two different things here? Because the dual slot cooler on the MSI 4870 is completely different from this one they stuck on the 4850. The 4870's cooler is just the reference design, this one looks more like a 3rd party VGA cooler that they installed on the board.
Well, I know a lot of people have been concerned about the high temps on the RV770 chips, and wondering when we would see non reference coolers start to show up for the 4xx series. Well, here's the first one I've seen. So anyway, it's certainly not as cheap as some of the reference 4850s, but it certainly still seems like a pretty good deal if you don't want the stock cooler and don't want the hassle of installing your own after market cooler.
Considering my current card is a nvidia card "I aint no fanboi"
it seems ATI and nvidia just turned down the fan speeds for quiet and left it.
Also, I just noticed this from earlier
My thinking is similar to Deruber, regardless of what it is rated for, I'd rather NOT have it heating up my box if there's a better option. It's just an ideal. I wouldn't care nearly as much about High Heels Gold Shoes the temps if it exhausted out the back of the case. While you can't always have everything you want, especially with components, it seems like the card CAN run quite cool (and quiet) with non stock modifications. It'd be worth an extra $20 $30 to me to make that happen. I'd rather have a warranty than void one by replacing the hunk of copper, or by fiddling with fan controls for the card (or any of the other fixes people have come up with to get "better" performance from the stock card).
There is a fixed amount of intelligence on the planet, and the population keeps growing :(
Beyond that, I suppose you can always cross your fingers and hope for a die shrink at some point. Rumors on a few sites say that nvidia and ATI will be skipping 45nm and going from 55nm to a 40nm process by early 2009, for whatever that is worth.
I hear you Morphine, it was a poor choice of words. I do not own a 4850 yet (obviously), so all I am going off of is the same noise that you have been reading on the interwebz. If I remember correctly, you own one, so I defer to your actual experience.
GokuSS2 wrote:Considering my current card is a nvidia card "I aint no fanboi"
I can understand the logic "it is rated to run just fine at that temperature so just leave it be," which seems to be a frequent response to posts like this, but (to me) just because it is logical does not mean it is sensible. I don't understand how so many people are okay with a GPU a few degress away from boiling temperature sitting there inside their PC.
I to look forward to more non reference coolers.
Sorry, I wasn't intending to accuse you (or Airmantharp for that matter) of being one.do the smart thing and its misinterpreted. We're all in the same boat; I don't know why some people get so dogmatic about fishing off one side or Valentino Shoes Price Ph
Two different things, sorry. When I read "MSI" and "dual slot cooler" I wrongly assumed that we were talking about the standard dual slot cooler design, which is not the case.
I wonder how much they'd have to cut down the current generation of GPUs to create something that could be (realistically) passively cooled.
UberGerbil wrote:I wonder how much they'd have to cut down the current generation of GPUs to create something that could be (realistically) passively cooled.
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Well, plenty of people have found that the combination of a Radeon 4850 and one of Arctic Cooling's Accelero S1 heatsinks can adequately cool the card without having a fan directly on it. I'd guess that the lower end versions (hypothetical 4600 and 4400 series) would be even easier to passively cool.
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Was that a typo, or are we talking about two different things here? Because the dual slot cooler on the MSI 4870 is completely different from this one they stuck on the 4850. The 4870's cooler is just the reference design, this one looks more like a 3rd party VGA cooler that they installed on the board.
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